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« Thread Started on Mar 22, 2008, 9:12pm » | ![[Quote]](http://s1.images.proboards.com/buttons/quote.gif) |
If the working force of Clatsop County doesn't wake up and FAST we are going to lose the most significant opportunity our area has seen in 30 years.
With the economy spiraling towards a recession, fishing being completely curtailed and logging severely hampered (all due to the mismanagement of the democratic party and the eco freaks), if we can't haul ourselves away from work, call in sick or tell our bosses they have to let us go to the commissioner board meetings these freaks are going to take every opportunity out of our reach. Look at the picture on the Daily Astorian. Look at the people involved in this thing! RICH, RICH, RICH! And most of them already have their natural gas piped into their homes.
What they don't want is cheaper gas for all of us. They don't want us to have our fair share. They don't want us to have a chance at better lives. FOrrester is terrified if that LNG plant comes in another BIG newspaper will come, drawn by the prosperity and the FIVE YEARS of construction jobs we will have here. FIVE F**KING YEARS of steady employment! How many of us can quit scraping by and get ahead on that?
River Keepers? HAH! MONEY KEEPERS!
Against JUST LNG? They want healthy alternatives? NOPE, they're liars. They are totally for themselves, their lifestyle, their money.
Auerbach - retired from Silicon Valley, lives on SIXTY acres of land and is now a "hay farmer". Yeah, riiiiight
Bunch - lives on 400+ acres of land! Newly wed to texan hubby, retired physicist who now is the mad scientist at CCC. Jeeeeezuz will he babble to you, on your dime in a required course, about the evils of procreating more CHILDREN (don't you love it when the rich FREAK OUT that our kids are taking up toooo much of THEIR natural resources) and cows. Yah, he hates kids and cows. She hates LNG and kids and cows and Lee and democracy and just about anything except socialism and her own wealth and ideas about how the rest of us should run our lives (around her of course). Ask how hard coworkers cry when she finally leaves a job. An amoeba could die of thirst in the tear drops shed.
Eady - RICH, RICH, RICH doesn't want you to touch a dime of it. She's going to die and have it buried with her. And she wants to make sure that fifty years after she's dead this county looks EXACTLY the way she left it, too.
Westbrook - She loves DOGS more than she loves people and that's a fact. She'll weep her eyes out over a dog being put down, but do you think she cares if you are loosing you house? You can't make the rent? Tough titties. Her pound kitties and DeLaura Beach are safe and BY GOD no LNG tanker is going to deny her ONE MINUTE of gazing at Washington across the river!
Patrick - It was pretty amazing how a Patrick contributed a significant amount of money to the CRIODA campaign but it wasn't Sam or Myrna. Wonder where that "mysterious" relative came from? He's a lowdown sob, who'll share his karats with horses but not with us.
All these people backing Columbia "River" Keepers. And it isn't just the river they're planning on keeping for themselves.
You absolutely can't make it to a meeting? You gotta write the dangit! letters. Yeah it sucks but if you don't then the eco freaks win.
Date:
Dear ______________
This is to let you know I support the LNG projects in the Clatsop County area. Specifically the one going in at (Bradwood Landing or Skipanon Warrenton Or circle one). I encourage you to treat this as any other development project in making it no more difficult to get the adequate licenses, permits, variances and orders needed than any other industry or business coming into our area.
I am tired of our area being controlled by a small but rich minority of retired people who do not understand the times or needs of the majority of our area. I ask that you give due regard to those of us who cannot afford to take time off of work, who do not have the ability to speak in front of crowds, who are unable to travel to rallies because we actually have families and actually owe the bank for our homes, and do the right thing, GIVE US OUR LNG TERMINALS.
The government has taken our fishing industry away from us, our logging industry away from us and won't allow new industries to take their place. You won't be happy until we are sitting next to our Indian friends on reservations, selling beads to the tourists.
Just like them, we won't go peacefully.
Give us our LNG.
Sincerely,
Send it to:
Clatsop County Board of Commissioners
800 Exchange St., Suite 310
Astoria, OR 97103
MAIL
Governor Kulongoski
160 State Capitol
900 Court Street
Salem, Oregon 97301-4047
PHONE
Governor’s Citizens’ Representative Message Line
503.378.4582
FAX
503.378.6827
Senator Betsy Johnson
900 Court St. NE, S-314
Salem, OR 97301
Congressman Wu
Washington, D.C. Office
2338 Rayburn HOB
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone: (202) 225-0855
Fax: (202) 225-9497
Congressman David Wu Portland Office
620 SW Main, Suite 606
Portland, OR 97205
Representative
Deborah Boone
900 Court St. NE, H-375
Salem, OR 97301
Senator Ron Wyden
Washington, DC
223 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510-3703
Now pass this through the email chain, print it out make copies and bring it to work, in Clatsop County the biggest group of locals these flakes could rake together was about 250. We got ta out shout them guys.
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Miller Sands
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« Reply #1 on Mar 22, 2008, 11:45pm » | |
dangit! straight....so sick of these Californicators coming up here and meddling in stuff they know nothing about. dangit! sick of it.
That whole Riverkeeper bullsiht really chaps my hide. What a bunch of posers.
Good post, Hank!!
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« Reply #2 on Mar 23, 2008, 4:50am » | |
Hank, sorry to say but you must be talking about some other Bunch. They probably have a tenth of the land you claim, he is a biologist, they both have children and live stock (not cows though), and I don't think he opposes LNG. It is the Physics instructor at the college who was big on 0 population growth.
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« Reply #3 on Mar 23, 2008, 1:03pm » | |
to sit through one of his lectures you'd never know it. "irresponsible for anyone to bring more than 2.5 children into the world given the planet's ability to sustain ... blah, blah, blah ...." does that mean with our third one we should conceive it but then we have to abort? or that we draw lots in each neighborhood for who can have their third child?
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« Reply #4 on Mar 23, 2008, 6:32pm » | |
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Auerbach - retired from Silicon Valley, lives on SIXTY acres of land and is now a "hay farmer". Yeah, riiiiight
Bunch - lives on 400+ acres of land! Newly wed to texan hubby, retired physicist who now is the mad scientist at CCC. Jeeeeezuz will he babble to you, on your dime in a required course, about the evils of procreating more CHILDREN (don't you love it when the rich FREAK OUT that our kids are taking up toooo much of THEIR natural resources) and cows. Yah, he hates kids and cows. She hates LNG and kids and cows and Lee and democracy and just about anything except socialism and her own wealth and ideas about how the rest of us should run our lives (around her of course). Ask how hard coworkers cry when she finally leaves a job. An amoeba could die of thirst in the tear drops shed.
Eady - RICH, RICH, RICH doesn't want you to touch a dime of it. She's going to die and have it buried with her. And she wants to make sure that fifty years after she's dead this county looks EXACTLY the way she left it, too.
Westbrook - She loves DOGS more than she loves people and that's a fact. She'll weep her eyes out over a dog being put down, but do you think she cares if you are loosing you house? You can't make the rent? Tough titties. Her pound kitties and DeLaura Beach are safe and BY GOD no LNG tanker is going to deny her ONE MINUTE of gazing at Washington across the river!
Patrick - It was pretty amazing how a Patrick contributed a significant amount of money to the CRIODA campaign but it wasn't Sam or Myrna. Wonder where that "mysterious" relative came from? He's a lowdown sob, who'll share his karats with horses but not with us.
All these people backing Columbia "River" Keepers. And it isn't just the river they're planning on keeping for themselves. |
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To the ignorant fool who wrote this,
you are instructed to take down this letter,
Please see the definition of LIBEL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
I expect of the manager of this board to remove this letter. Again please look up libel
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hmmmmm
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« Reply #5 on Mar 23, 2008, 8:25pm » | |
> Public Resources > Libel FAQs
Frequently Asked Media Law Questions
What is Libel?
Libel and slander are legal claims for false statements of fact about a person that are printed, broadcast, spoken or otherwise communicated to others. Libel generally refers to statements or visual depictions in written or other permanent form, while slander refers to verbal statements and gestures. The term defamation is often used to encompass both libel and slander.
In order for the person about whom a statement is made to recover for libel, the false statement must be defamatory, meaning that it actually harms the reputation of the other person, as opposed to being merely insulting or offensive.
The statement(s) alleged to be defamatory must also have been published to at least one other person (other than the subject of the statement) and must be "of and concerning" the plaintiff. That is, those hearing or reading the statement must identify it specifically with the plaintiff.
The statement(s) alleged to be defamatory must also be a false statement of fact. That which is name-calling, hyperbole, or, however characterized, cannot be proven true or false, cannot be the subject of a libel or slander claim.
The defamatory statement must also have been made with fault. The extent of the fault depends primarily on the status of the plaintiff. Public figures, such as government officials, celebrities, well-known individuals, and people involved in specific public controversies, are required to prove actual malice, a legal term which means the defendant knew his statement was false or recklessly disregarded the truth or falsity of his statement. In most jurisdictions, private individuals must show only that the defendant was negligent: that he failed to act with due care in the situation.
A defamation claim -- at least one based upon statements about issues that are matters of public interest -- will likely fail if any of these elements are not met.
Unless you, Daily ASSSSSSStorian, can prove you know who Hank is and that he was deliberately trying to cause you harm and that this statement actually did cause you harm - suck it up.
Since the intent of the writer was obviously to get people to write about LNG and didn't have anything to do with causing monetary harm to anyone mentioned, it looks like a hard case to prove.
Another example of FOG closing down OPEN government, hmmmmm?
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« Reply #6 on Mar 23, 2008, 8:30pm » | |
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To the ignorant fool who wrote this,
you are instructed to take down this letter,
Please see the definition of LIBEL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
I expect of the manager of this board to remove this letter. Again please look up libel |
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BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHH!!! LIBEL:??
Who do you think you're fooling, Bucko?
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Hank
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« Reply #7 on Mar 23, 2008, 10:46pm » | |
Whoops, my bad. 
Read the tax info wrong, it is class 400.
Real Market Value Acres
108,659 25.03
84124 4.49
368654 4.02
61157 2.03
Totals: Acres = 35.57
Real Market Value = $622,594
Still reads rich in my book.
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« Reply #8 on Mar 24, 2008, 4:31am » | |
Rich? I'm sure he'd be happy to sell you 20 acres of wet land blow down.
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looking fer a deal
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« Reply #9 on Mar 24, 2008, 12:52pm » | |
At the real market, appraised or taxed price?
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rick
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« Reply #10 on Mar 24, 2008, 3:37pm » | |
Quote:Whoops, my bad.
Read the tax info wrong, it is class 400.
Real Market Value Acres
108,659 25.03
84124 4.49
368654 4.02
61157 2.03
Totals: Acres = 35.57
Real Market Value = $622,594
Still reads rich in my book.
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In any case, that is about the same size as the undeveloped portion of the college property on Jerome Ave.
Total Jerome Campus property in acres: 45.24
Total developed of it is aprox. 10 acres.
That means, they have enough land to fit the developed portion of Clatsop Community College THREE times.
That is enough to fit 140+ houses on 50-ftx150-ft. lots. Enough for 140 families. Family of four to five aproximately means 560 to 700 individuals.
Just interesting.
Oh well, its out in the rural.
Nothing wrong with owning 40 acres of land.
Now, what is the fuss with Michael Bunch?
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mel
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« Reply #11 on Mar 24, 2008, 7:44pm » | |
i think the point was that some people get theirs and then grind the process to a halt so others don't have the same opportunity.
many anti lngers (eco freaks according to hank) use natural gas on lines already piped here. how did those lines get here? how much property was grabbed up by eminent domain? and it appears that the anti lngers have a substantial amount of rich people in their midst, supporting their cause and they don't represent the common guy, the regular worker. they are all big land owners (to someone renting an apartment or living on a lot 40 acres is the same as 400, especially when it has a price tag of over half a million dollars on it.
it seems to be a huge gap between the haves and have nots. with the haves already having their natural gas, already having accumulated their wealth and now going out of their way to deny others the opportunity to have access to any of the good stuff. the good jobs, the cheap gas, a good retirement.
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rick
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« Reply #12 on Mar 24, 2008, 9:54pm » | |
I understand the sentiment here. I don't agree with the LNG nay-sayers.
It isn't fair for those of the "Have" to deny the folks that do not have any opportunity for enhancing ones life-style. I have known Michael Bunch and he seems to me a fairly nice fellow. I don't know Jennifer Bunch so much. I know Patrick McGeezer (sorry, just playing with the name a little) stance as it is pretty clear.
However, one thing that I do know about Physics is that A) We are not the falt for global warming. It is just a cycle in Earth and Earth has been on that process for the past 10,000+ years with periodical fluctuation. The scientists out there needs to keep into consideration that the world and universe will not fit the smooth curves and linear interpolation's perfectly. This is due to the many minute variables that effects the way things are even the sun has a fluctuating nature. if it didn't, we would not have solar flares and sun spots.
McGeezer makes claims that their will be a major disaster equivelent to 55 Hiroshima bombs using his quotation of "energy equivelence". Hey, McGee - they are assuming ideal level energy output which would not occur. Natural gas does not explode unless it is under pressure which is why it is dangerous to have a natural gas leak inside your home because the house forms a confine space.
If your concern is about lives, lets look at the situation. LNG in that liquid state - hence the "L", does not "explode because it is not under pressure. No more then the pressure of water in a bucket. Physics: Make a whole in the container (hole in the bucket), LNG pours out and then turns to gas state - ok rather quicker then water because of difference in temperature of the different states.
Once it is a gas, now it can burn and might do a flash combustion then stabilize out. What will happen is that the gas would burn in just about exactly the same way it does on your stove.
Oh yeah, terrorists. You assume a terrorist is going to have a cyclotron to heat of the LNG while it is inside the storage tanks. The last time I recall, there is a constant flow of freon or liquid nitrogen to keep it code. Secondly, the last time I recall - a cyclotron wasn't a very portable device.
Now, lets think, why Astoria? Not the ideal place and target for a terrorist attack and getting the LNG gas to leak and burn on a ship isn't the ideal way for a terrorist attack on a national level.
If there was such an incident, it would be caused by some lunitic who is anti-LNG and bottled-up that anger until he/she explodes psychotically. The attack will only be an attack on LNG and LNG industry.
I'm all for energy efficiency but it will only go so far until we would have to give up our life-style and revert back towards the stone age as population increase OR the obvious - reduce human population OR you diversify the energy sources to meet the energy needs to fulfill the lifestyle of us all.
Supply and Demand effects prices and more supply for the demand, the more easier it will be for us to get natural gas locally for less cost. I don't care if the gas is pumped to California because the gas is also pumped here. Its a whole network of natural gas.
Patrick, I understood and agree with your sentiment on Calpine and the Port of Astoria's deal there. The location at Skipananon and Tansy Point may very well not fit in well if the facilities are designed with the typical two or three 100-200 ft. storage tanks. Bradwood seems to be out of site a bit.
I would not want speculation but realistic information on its impact on the ecomony and the commerce.
We have more deaths caused by smaller less "flashy" incidents. If you want to save lives, lets look at automobile, traffic and safe driving. Lets look at those issues. Lets look at the drug problems and alchohol problems. Lets look at people driving unsafely with cellphones (not because of the cell-phone but because of lack of paying attention to what you are doing). Too many people driving with there attention distracted and not focused.
If I wanted to be a terrorist, wouldn't you think that ordinary existing natural gas lines we already have be ideal. If I want to harm people and lives. Getting a propane truck and detonating it next to a school bus would be more likely to get attention and probably harm and kill more lives than the number of lives that might die in in incident on an LNG ship out in the river or the facility.
Speculating and ASSuming there will be an attack on the Bradwood Landing site. It could very well operate for the next 100-200 years without any major incident and nothing of the extreme order like terrorism. In fact, there is a greater likihood that the facility will run sufficiently fine for many years to come without any major incident. Accidents, sure. Someone slipping on a ladder. Whatever.
So McGee, how do you answer the increasing energy demands because of population growth. The biggest contributer to energy demand growth. Second to life-style. How do you answer for the global warming for the past 10,000. If you noticed, we are a minor factor on this when you look at it over 10,000 years. It wasn't until the last 200 years that we had electricity, and technology, Our energy demand between the times of Ancient Egypt to about 200 years ago, the energy demand per person was about 2-5 times that of what it was when we were just a bunch of hunting and gathering tribes.
So, think. Just THINK for a bit.
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« Reply #13 on Mar 24, 2008, 11:51pm » | |
Good post rick. I think you posted a while back here too?
People finally coming around. Don't think a lot of the locals realize that their options are being stripped from them by people they don't even know yet "say" they are from here and care about our future.
I am surprised by how many doctors are on the list. MDs and DDs, and I think a bunch of nurse practitioners. You would think they would want to be paid. And the resources that Bradwood is talking about bringing in to the medical clinics and fire departments!!!
But you won't know it unless you talk to them. No news about it in the daily assassination.
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« Reply #14 on Jul 13, 2009, 12:43am » | |
Mar 22, 2008, 9:12pm, Hank wrote:If the working force of Clatsop County doesn't wake up and FAST we are going to lose the most significant opportunity our area has seen in 30 years.
With the economy spiraling towards a recession, fishing being completely curtailed and logging severely hampered (all due to the mismanagement of the democratic party and the eco freaks), if we can't haul ourselves away from work, call in sick or tell our bosses they have to let us go to the commissioner board meetings these freaks are going to take every opportunity out of our reach. Look at the picture on the Daily Astorian. Look at the people involved in this thing! RICH, RICH, RICH! And most of them already have their natural gas piped into their homes.
What they don't want is cheaper gas for all of us. They don't want us to have our fair share. They don't want us to have a chance at better lives. FOrrester is terrified if that LNG plant comes in another BIG newspaper will come, drawn by the prosperity and the FIVE YEARS of construction jobs we will have here. FIVE F**KING YEARS of steady employment! How many of us can quit scraping by and get ahead on that?
River Keepers? HAH! MONEY KEEPERS!
Against JUST LNG? They want healthy alternatives? NOPE, they're liars. They are totally for themselves, their lifestyle, their money.
Auerbach - retired from Silicon Valley, lives on SIXTY acres of land and is now a "hay farmer". Yeah, riiiiight
Bunch - lives on 400+ acres of land! Newly wed to texan hubby, retired physicist who now is the mad scientist at CCC. Jeeeeezuz will he babble to you, on your dime in a required course, about the evils of procreating more CHILDREN (don't you love it when the rich FREAK OUT that our kids are taking up toooo much of THEIR natural resources) and cows. Yah, he hates kids and cows. She hates LNG and kids and cows and Lee and democracy and just about anything except socialism and her own wealth and ideas about how the rest of us should run our lives (around her of course). Ask how hard coworkers cry when she finally leaves a job. An amoeba could die of thirst in the tear drops shed.
Eady - RICH, RICH, RICH doesn't want you to touch a dime of it. She's going to die and have it buried with her. And she wants to make sure that fifty years after she's dead this county looks EXACTLY the way she left it, too.
Westbrook - She loves DOGS more than she loves people and that's a fact. She'll weep her eyes out over a dog being put down, but do you think she cares if you are loosing you house? You can't make the rent? Tough titties. Her pound kitties and DeLaura Beach are safe and BY GOD no LNG tanker is going to deny her ONE MINUTE of gazing at Washington across the river!
Patrick - It was pretty amazing how a Patrick contributed a significant amount of money to the CRIODA campaign but it wasn't Sam or Myrna. Wonder where that "mysterious" relative came from? He's a lowdown sob, who'll share his karats with horses but not with us.
All these people backing Columbia "River" Keepers. And it isn't just the river they're planning on keeping for themselves.
You absolutely can't make it to a meeting? You gotta write the dangit! letters. Yeah it sucks but if you don't then the eco freaks win.
Date:
Dear ______________
This is to let you know I support the LNG projects in the Clatsop County area. Specifically the one going in at (Bradwood Landing or Skipanon Warrenton Or circle one). I encourage you to treat this as any other development project in making it no more difficult to get the adequate licenses, permits, variances and orders needed than any other industry or business coming into our area.
I am tired of our area being controlled by a small but rich minority of retired people who do not understand the times or needs of the majority of our area. I ask that you give due regard to those of us who cannot afford to take time off of work, who do not have the ability to speak in front of crowds, who are unable to travel to rallies because we actually have families and actually owe the bank for our homes, and do the right thing, GIVE US OUR LNG TERMINALS.
The government has taken our fishing industry away from us, our logging industry away from us and won't allow new industries to take their place. You won't be happy until we are sitting next to our Indian friends on reservations, selling beads to the tourists.
Just like them, we won't go peacefully.
Give us our LNG.
Sincerely,
Send it to:
Clatsop County Board of Commissioners
800 Exchange St., Suite 310
Astoria, OR 97103
MAIL
Governor Kulongoski
160 State Capitol
900 Court Street
Salem, Oregon 97301-4047
PHONE
Governor’s Citizens’ Representative Message Line
503.378.4582
FAX
503.378.6827
Senator Betsy Johnson
900 Court St. NE, S-314
Salem, OR 97301
Congressman Wu
Washington, D.C. Office
2338 Rayburn HOB
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone: (202) 225-0855
Fax: (202) 225-9497
Congressman David Wu Portland Office
620 SW Main, Suite 606
Portland, OR 97205
Representative
Deborah Boone
900 Court St. NE, H-375
Salem, OR 97301
Senator Ron Wyden
Washington, DC
223 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510-3703
Now pass this through the email chain, print it out make copies and bring it to work, in Clatsop County the biggest group of locals these flakes could rake together was about 250. We got ta out shout them guys.
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These people have the GALL to bitch that about when the Board holds hearings??? It was at 10 AM when the rest of us were hard at work but the blue hairs, long hairs and those paid by CRK and the Sierra Club sure could be there. How come no one asks Peter how much he is paid for his testimony and to be the business manager of that little business alliance consortium that just won a fat chunk of money? How much of that money goes into his pocket? How much money had Laurie Caplan made from this bruhaha? She's on the payroll, too. How many testifying were on or have ever received money from Sierra Club? You know they pay their "grassroot organizors"? And not pocket change, like $2500 a month, plus expenses and bennies!
How many organizations paid VandenHuevel to be there? All the love poured on him like he isn't just one more attorney for hire! He gets paid by CRK as well as Sierra Club's justice association. He has also been paid by FLOW and quite a few other of these "environmental" groups. The man is more "green" than any of the groups he represents, except the Sierra Club.
Arg! They make me sick!
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