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Re: Measure 11 Bull Sh*t
« Reply #30 on Oct 31, 2008, 12:01pm »

If much of the information provided about the abuses at Mr. Kelly's trial are true, certainly he should appeal and would either get a new trial or be determined not guilty and released. That would require, of course, hiring an attorney and showing that what has been said here is true. That should not be difficult, if the information is accurate. If the idea is to free Mr. Kelly, all his fans should try that. If the idea is to whine about the people in the justice system and how they have abused the drunks, druggies and child abusers, then the path being travled here seems like the best one.

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Re: Measure 11 Bull Sh*t
« Reply #31 on Oct 31, 2008, 3:53pm »

The Kelly appeal lawyer is on retainer and work is progressing. So is another lawyer and lawsuit for defamation of character.

The material presented here is to show how evil the legal process is in Clatsop County and probably beyond, for everyone who gets accused regardless of economic support, the point being that not only is measure 11 bad, so is Marquis, his Deputies, and judges trained under him.

On the other case I don't know who was the acting DA but Marquis complained in the Daily Astorian about the judge stating the reason for his stay of sentence was upping the counts during the trial. I wasn't at the trial but the article should be available in recent Daily Astorian archives.

If you care to communicate your email address, I can send you a copy complete with photo. Posting here would be a lot harder as my email allows copying stuff in but not back out as easily.

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Re: Measure 11 Bull Sh*t
« Reply #32 on Oct 31, 2008, 10:31pm »

This all sounds like a blessing in disguise. I feel for everyone who gets a questionable verdict or a forced conviction.
You have no chance if a dispute amoung neighbors, friends, enemies, accusation unless you report it first .Josh Marquis goes with the reporting party he consider's them a vote and pleases them by winning the case, and hopes they'll till friends.
Doesn't care if they are guilty or innocent, he want's the vote!
Little has he as yet to realize, a person simply can't use some innocent people for the vote.

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Re: Measure 11 Bull Sh*t
« Reply #33 on Nov 1, 2008, 9:38pm »

Interesting theory. If Joshua Marquis is that simple minded on why he does his evil, maybe he can change for the better sometime in the future, after enough lawsuits by innocents.

Clearly he won't be getting any votes from Kelly's many family and friends in the future. All he has to do is keep it up to enough families and he only will be voting for himself.

Even the silly women who vote on juries to incarcerate anyone on a sex accusation will eventually turn away. But at about 4 big family cases a year, it would take until after he retires.

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The DA's wife says he has a right to misinform
« Reply #34 on Nov 3, 2008, 9:31pm »

What Kelley's appeal attorney (or all attorneys going against Marquis) should do is read Marquis' wife's statement to the jury or judge to show what kind of person he is. You know where this chick is getting her legal advice from!

From the Astoria Matters Board, Cindy Price rips apart tillicum thread

Sept 5, 2008, 8:55am, This one is unbelievable wrote:

Cindy,

Consistency is a word that can be applied to you. Your 3-21-07 letter to the board is consistent with your assertion of 3-5-07 (in a memo to Carol) that, "You have a privilege guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States to misrepresent the truth almost as much as you want, to as many people as you want, and I will continue to do everything in my power to ensure that right is respected."

This statement, while you could argue that it is legal, it is not ethical, and, in my opinion, your statement accurately reflects the ethical stance and conduct you so far have consistently demonstrated while on the board.

Your 3-21-07 letter is replete with misstatements and misconceptions. You have turned, twisted, changed, and added words around at the expense of others - misrepresenting the truth - to serve your own purpose. I would add that such self-aggrandizement (in your 3-21-07 letter) is not conducive to generating good working relationships.

I also concur with Chuck's 3-31-07 response to your 3-21-07 letter.
(See below.)

And add to Chuck's observations that, in my opinion, your modus operandi on this board has been to "divide, badger, & conquer"; and to date you've done a very good job of the first two. In the years I have served on the board, the directors have not always agreed on the issues at hand but there was honesty, respect, and camaraderie as well as an exchange of ideas. However, from my perspective, it was not until you came on board that we have experienced the kind of rancorous divisiveness and lack of communication - to the point of paralysis - that we now have. Adding to these, is the board's long struggle - and the toll it took on the board and every staff member - to clarify and rectify the inaccurate charges you made against the general manager.

Your self-indulging 3-21-07 letter, not only is inaccurate, but it serves no positive purpose to the Foundation.

Margarita

Attorneys should subpoena Cindy Price at each trial and when the DA protests it they can say it goes to show the credibility of the DA's office.

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Re: Measure 11 Bull Sh*t
« Reply #35 on Nov 7, 2008, 6:03pm »

Thank goodness measure 61 failed. Manix needs to give up, Oregonians do not want anymore mandatory sentencing!!

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Re: Measure 11 Bull Sh*t
« Reply #36 on Nov 8, 2008, 12:47pm »

I wanna know who is going to pay for Measure 57 that the DA's drew up for legislature??? DA's are going to need more staff to be able to implement that, and the Governor is going to need to give these DA's more money for all the time they spend negotiating all these sentencing deals.

Measure 57 increases term of imprisonment for persons convicted of specified drug and property crimes under certain circumstances. Prohibits court from imposing less than presumptive sentence for persons convicted of specified drug and property crimes under certain circumstances. Requires Department of Corrections to provide treatment to certain offenders and to administer grant program to provide supplemental funding to local governments for certain purposes.

The measure
The measure increases sentences for specific drug and
property crimes, and requires addiction treatment for certain
criminals. The measure also requires state grants to counties
for jail, treatment, and supervision expenses, and for drug
court operations.
State impact
The costs of the measure are due to keeping more criminals in
prison for longer periods of time. Those costs include: running
prisons, providing temporary prison beds, supervising criminals
after they are released from prison, and building more
prison space. Other costs include: providing foster care for
some children whose parents are convicted of the measure’s
crimes, providing lawyers for defendants who cannot afford
legal counsel, defending the state against inmates’ lawsuits,
and assessing the results of grant-funded addiction treatment.
The measure will cost $9 million in the first year, and increase
to more than $143 million per year after the fourth year.
These costs include the cost of grants to local government.
The state will borrow $314 million from 2010 to 2017 to build
new prison space. The state will repay those amounts plus
interest of $203 million over 25 years.
Local impact
The amount of grants to local governments cannot be
estimated.
The measure does not require any additional local government
spending. (YEAH, RIIIIIIIIIIGHT! They don't know our DA do they???)

Implementing the measure
The total cost of the measure could change depending on the
length of time to build new prisons, inflation, the cost of drug
treatment, and the cost to hire and train new prison staff.
The measure does not identify a funding source. Today the
costs of prisons are paid for out of the General Fund, which
comes from income taxes. The General Fund is also used to
pay for public education, services for vulnerable citizens,
public safety, and other programs.

Vote NO on More Prisons
Mandatory prison sentences divert public money from
education. Oregon spends less on education per student than
30 other states, while we spend more per capita than any other
state on prisons. Oregon spends more on corrections than
higher education. Is this the future we want for Oregon’s
children?
Rural communities face serious fiscal crises and are
unable to pay for basic government programs. Our dilapidated
roads, bridges, sewers, and ports require new financial
commitment. And yet we have two Measures on the ballot,
57 and 61, to increase spending on incarceration, and none to
improve schools or bridges.
Increased prison sentences will worsen our already
racially imbalanced criminal justice system. Oregon
incarcerates African-Americans six times more often than
Whites. Before mandating any increase in prison sentences, we
must address the disproportionate impact our criminal justice
system has on racial and ethnic minorities.
Mandatory minimum sentences have no measurable
effect on reducing crime. Oregon’s crime rate began
decreasing in the 1990s. The proponents of mandatory
minimum laws claim this trend was caused by mandatory
sentencing laws. However, in a convenient omission, they fail
to mention that during this same period, crime rates decreased
throughout the Nation. New York experienced the same violent
crime reduction as Oregon yet managed to decrease its prison
population by 8.4%. Increasing prison time is not the best path
to decreasing crime.
Neither Measure 57 nor 61 is smart on crime. We
understand that the Legislature was trying to avert the disaster
of Measure 61 by offering the lesser evil, Measure 57. But we
believe Oregonians are smarter than that.
The Portland National Lawyers Guild sees both Measure 57 and
61 as flawed and wrong-headed. No doubt, Measure 61 would
be far worse than Measure 57. For this reason, the Portland
National Lawyers Guild urges you to reject both
Measures, but if you choose to vote for either, vote Yes
on 57 and No on 61.
(This information furnished by Kenneth A. Kreuscher, Co-Chair of
Portland National Lawyers Guild.)

THIS BALLOT MEASURE SHOULD BE REPEALED THROUGH A REFERENDUM

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Re: Measure 11 Bull Sh*t
« Reply #37 on Nov 21, 2008, 4:42pm »

There is no money for education! Prisons were chosen first! Voters were duped. We should have insisted education first! Everyone who voted for Mandatory Sentencing believed crime would come down. It hasn't,
At least some will benefit from the lessor of the insane bills. Treatment!

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Re: Measure 11 Bull Sh*t
« Reply #38 on Oct 1, 2009, 8:13pm »

The supreme court isn't sleeping on the job anymore.... For the first time they have overridden two, cruel punishment, measure 11 cases, there are so many more. There is some hope . It's encouraging to know the supreme court is taking a seriously look at the bogus cases.

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Re: Measure 11 Bull Sh*t
« Reply #39 Yesterday at 2:26pm »

Someday, maybe the voters in Oregon will see just how cruel meaure11 is. How can we as voters give all the same punishment, for different crimes, very few non-violent?
Our prisons are full. Measure 11 is a one strike and your out!!!

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